THE BRIDGE by Brett Hanover

THE BRIDGE by Brett Hanover



Brett Hanover is not aware of, nor responsible for,
this movie being posted here.

So, sue ME, Scientology, and leave the kid alone.

Thank you, FD, for the working links & html
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xx39e_thebridge64kb


The BRIDGE aka INSIDE THE ORG from XENUTV
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2196573959887248236
Thank you Mark Bunker! WOG BLOG http://xenutv.wordpress.com

But Can Scientologist Danielle Perkins Carlson 'Clear' Her Institutionalized Sibling, Jeremy Perkins?

Buffalo, NY on the subject of the Perkins Tragedy & Scientology

Scientologist Ellie Perkins was murdered by her son, scientologist Jeremy Perkins. She followed Scientology idealogy in keeping him untreated for his chronic Schizophrenia condition. After scientology failed to help him, they kicked him out of the organization. In desperate attempts to help her son but abide by her 'church', Ellie tried numerous alternative treatments, all which failed to help him. Ellie died by her faith walking on a bridge to nowhere

Scientologist Elli Perkins was brutally murdered by her son who was desperately in need of the psychiatric care Scientology discourages.



Scientology - The Elli Perkins Story
Posted 2 months ago byXENUTV
http://www.dailymotion.com/XENUTV/video/xkmax_scientology-the-elli-perkins-story

Now we see a google groups posting about Ellie's daughter Danielle:
From: Dave Touretzky -
Date: Sun, Jan 7 2007 10:42 pm
Email: d...@cs.cmu.edu (Dave Touretzky)
Groups: alt.religion.scientology

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Danielle Perkins Carlson, daughter of the deceased Elli Perkins, sister of the institutionalized Jeremy Perkins, and unhappy spouse of the (on again, off again) Executive Director of the Buffalo Org, Jeff Carlson, has a message of hope for all of you:
http://PerkinsTragedy.org/CoverUp/Danielle-Carlson.mpg
This has got to be the most ironic use of Scn video footage ever. It comes from the 2005 FLAG World Tour DVD, so it's not like they didn't know about Danielle's little PR problem; Elli was killed in 2003. Apparently they just didn't care.
No wonder Scientology hates the Internet.
-- Dave Touretzky: "Up next: David Miscavige performs brain surgery." http://PerkinsTragedy.org
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NOTE:
WAKE UP DANIELLE CARLSON. SCIENTOLOGY CANNOT HELP ANYONE, ESPECIALLY YOUR BROTHER, WHO NEEDS THE LOVE AND FORGIVENESS OF HIS FAMILY.
Yes, that means you and your lost father, Don Perkins who SHUN HIM now that he's getting REAL HELP.

May God have mercy on your lost and delusional souls.

MERRY CHRISTMAS FROM LRH & FRIENDS lol!

Yes, scientology is weird.

SCIENTOLOGY -THE GREAT Sci-Fi SCAM!

Many thanks to Rev. Ian Brown for permission to link to his excellent sermon.

Scientology - The Great Sci-Fi Scam!
Audio Sermon by Rev. Ian Brown
Londonderry Free Presbyterian Church

Brief Sermon Overview from Rev. Brown's sermonaudio.com web site:

The apostles give us clear warning against turning our back on the truth of the Word of God and following after fables.
(1 Timothy 1:4; 2 Timothy 4:4; Titus 1:14)

They also assure us that, in delivering the Word of God to us, they did not delve
into the realm of fantasy or fiction (2 Peter 1:16).

One of the most outrageous fables of this modern times is the teaching of Scientology.

In this message, both the:

1. BACKGROUND
and
2. BELIEFS
of this unscriptural cult are examined.

In an age when Hollywood stars such as Tom Cruise, John Travolta, Kirstie Alley and Lisa Marie Presley champion the cause of Scientology before the minds of our young people, God's people need to be equipped with facts that expose it.

Scientology – The Great Sci-Fi Scam! Rev Ian Brown • Major Deceptions Of Our Day • 24 min 1 Timothy 1:4; 2 Timothy 4:4; 2 Peter 1:16

Play Audio! (Streaming) · 24 minutes
Download MP3 (2.9MB) •
http://www.sermonaudio.com/play.asp?ID=9905194113

Rev. Ian Brown
Londonderry Free Presbyterian Church
Lisnagelvin Road
Londonderry, Northern Ireland BT47 1QX

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Click to hear the infamous L.Ron Hubbard say " The is no Christ"

"Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them."
Ephesians 5:11

~FormerlyFooled

BEAST INVADES CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY

Nov 16 - 30, 2006 The Beast, issue #110 (Fair Use Exerpt )
Cult Classic
Pseudoscience and Psychedelics in the Church of Scientology
Ian Murphy

"I'm going to invent a religion that's going to make me a fortune. I'm tired of writing for a penny a word."
- L. Ron Hubbard

"If you leave this room after seeing this film, and walk out and never mention Scientology again, you are perfectly free to do so. It would be stupid, but you can do it. You can also dive off a bridge, or blow your brains out; that is your choice.”
- From the Scientology recruitment film Orientation.

“Hulk want PARTY!!!”
- The Incredible Hulk, upon being denied entrance to the Scientology Halloween party.

“Hey! Do you want to watch a free movie?” a spry older woman shouted at my back, pouncing onto the sidewalk at the corner of Virginia and Main. For some time at The BEAST, we’d been toying with the idea of infiltrating The Church of Scientology. Recognizing an opportunity, I turned, cordially introduced myself as “Robert Stevens,” and told the woman that a free movie would be “awesome.” Smiling broadly, she said her name was Zonnie. I could feel the power of Scientology oozing from her chapped face. I would come to like Zonnie, an ex-choreographer from the west coast who curses abundantly when riled. After some small talk, I was led through an ornate, vaulted lobby to an intimate twenty-seat projection-screen theater. Zonnie pushed a few buttons on a wall console and said she’d be back in about half an hour, leaving me alone in blackness. For a moment, panic washed over me as I imagined the room filling with poison gas. Then the movie started"................... http://www.buffalobeast.com/110/cult_classic_scientology.htm

Comment:
Thank you Ian and staff at Beast of Buffalo!

This is one informative and humorous investigative piece on scientology!
I don't think anyone has ever gotten a staff member to admit this statement to a non scientologist, much less a journalist albeit under cover:
"After some prodding, she (Zonnie) explained that the negative press concerning Scientology was the work of “anti-social” personalities, and that ex-Scientologists rarely speak out because the church “knows all their secrets.”

Well, we'll see about that now, Zonnie...

FYI, Zonnie is Zonnie Bauer and here is her personal home page created for her by Scientology! Can you imagine that,?? lol!! Here it is:
http://myreligion.scientology.org/zonniebauer/

~ FormerlyFooled ~

Buffalo Defectors please contact
buffaloscientologyinfo

Thanks, again, to:
http://www.buffalobeast.com

Scientology: The Wallet, The FMS and the Registrar

Scientology: The Wallet, The FMS and the Registrar
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From: Formerlyfooled -
Thurs, Nov 2 2006 1:21 am
Google Group: alt.religion.scientology

I read a post here concerning recent con artist type of 'hard sell regging' and the overwhelming debt Scientologists are finding themselves into and I was surprised. It's not that I hard a hard time envisioning such a situation, but that these kinds of tactics were still going on!

How many years does it take before it's clearly evident to a Scientologist that there was never a concerted effort to correct this insanity? This practice has been going on since before and after Int Management came on the scene to supposedly correct the injustices and squirrelling of Hubbard's adminstrative policy.

How is it that members are pushed so hard into second guessing their better judgement & going into the very degree of debt one mever ever planned on getting into? And why hasn't this coersion situation not been corrected?

How is it that one has to fight or succumb everytime there is something to be sold by the church. There is no other equally sized organization in the world that practices this kind of intimidation. There is something so wrong with this whole picture.

Now, it's bad enough when members of Scientology are hard pressured to go into severe debt to 'help' clear the planet, but it doesn't stop at the people who give and then go back out to bust their butt, like a machine even, to try and keep up with the increased debt payments.

Whether you can actually afford the services the Church of Scientology registrars and Flag FSMs push is apparently of no concern to them and obviously something normal scientologists find difficult to take.

However, the fraud that Scientology perpetrated against Raul Lopez, a mentally incapacitated traumatic brain injury (TBI) survivor was, clearly, just 'more of the same and then some'. Read this court document. This is just the tip of the iceburg on how far many registrars & FSMs will go when that old 'purpose is senior to policy' button is pushed.

Scientology Swindles Raul Lopez-- And The World http://www.raullopez.org/

You can call it whatever you want, but where I come from it's called complicit fraud. It's been going on for many years now and it's obviously not going to stop. That's pathetic.

"Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them."
Ephesians 5:11

formerlyFooled
Help for Scientologists http://www.lermanet.com/scientologyhelp/main.html

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From: zeeorger
Thurs, Nov 2 2006 3:22 am
Groups: alt.religion.scientology

I don't mean to be cold hearted, but every once in a while scientology's "hard sell" abuse is used without first putting you and others into a proper "winning" trance like state ...

I forget the exact LRH quote, but to paraphrase it, it went something like "keep the PC winning ..." LRH understood that to keep the con game going it was important to keep the PC (the mark) in a semi-perpetual state of confusion.

Once that is acomplished, you can then use various means of internal persuasion (ethics, justice, RPF, declares) and external persuasion (GO/OSA) to keep the whole operation from being exposed/discovered.

Since the begining LRH tried to put off discovery of the following truths:
- The tech does not work.
- People find out it does not work.
- People tell other people what they found out.
- People know it is a scam/fraud.

It is the reverse of the "simple story of scientology" ...

The thing to keep in mind is that over 99% of those who have tried scientology are no longer supporting scientology.

Over 10 Million have tried, but less than 100,000 scientologists remain as active happy clams.
Z

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From: dharmasa...@gmail.com
Thurs, Nov 2 2006 5:13 am
Groups: alt.religion.scientology

Hey Z!
I can understand the basic idea behind the scam, but what I don't get is how Co$ can convince the "PC" that he's "winning"??? What he hell IS a "win", anyway? What are they winning? (Other than a one way trip to the poor-house by way of a grotty little place called: The Crazy Ramblings of "Mo Ron" Hubbard.)
(I apologize, but I've never been a member of Co$, and never want to be, so I'm not completely familiar with all the terms as Co$ uses them.)

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From: Eldon
Thurs, Nov 2 2006 5:28 am
Groups: alt.religion.scientology
re dharmasa...@gmail.com wrote: > zeeorger

The "winning" aspect of Scientology or any cult is to use some form of valid trance-inducing "therapy" at the beginning, unethically laced with a sales pitch and guilt trip.

The whole experience is designed to put people into an "enlightened" temporary state of euphoria. It's a feel-good state and also one in which people are easily indoctrinated.

This little online video satire depicts the process quite well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnNSe5XYp6E

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From: John
Thurs, Nov 2 2006 5:45 pm
Groups: alt.religion.scientology

The "wins" generally boil down to being processed into a state of euphoria, feeling great for a day or two, then coming down and needing to start again. Then are also officially published wins. These are the 'tales of the OTs' which tend to be just kinda sad.

For most members, the regular win they get is "I feel good". This feeling is always ephemeral, and requires topping up with more processing.

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From: Zinj
Thurs, Nov 2 2006 6:12 pm
Groups: alt.religion.scientology

A 'Win' is supposed to be a 'realization or recovered ability' (according to Scientology we all already have all abilities, which are being 'suppressed'; so, speaking swahili a'la glossolalia *already* exists, but is being suppressed. It could also be the ability to repair the transmission on a '37 Desoto. 'Learning" is a waste of time, because you already *have* all these abilities, but, they're being 'suppressed'.)

Every Scientology course or process requires a 'Win' and 'VGI' or, Very Good Indicators, meaning the chump says he's *happy* with the 'process/course/'treatment'.

If he *doesn't* have a win or 'VGI' the process must *continue* until he does. At his own cost.
It's a rare clam who's unwilling to admit to or manufacture a 'cog' or 'recovered ability' when faced with the prospect of Scientology ad infinitum. And, since the 'Tech' is always effective, *eventually* he'll find one.

Kind of like a dentist who charges $120/hr and guarantees 'success', then proceeds to drill holes willy-nilly until the 'patient' admits to feeling better.

The rare clam who actually *demands* a return on his investment and denies having had a 'cog' or a 'recovered ability' out of some misguided stubborness, and, despite the cash hemhorage will eventually be discovered to be a 'No Case Gain' suppressive and tossed out. Since, after all, the 'Tech' always works, so, it must have been his fault.

Naturally, there's a lot of pressure to come up with a 'Win', so, everybody does, although, many ex-Scientologists are willing to admit to 'faking wins' just to make the pressure stop and stop the running 'meter'.

And, human nature being what it is; most people who 'fake wins' actually and eventually come to believe their own faked wins. It's easier than admitting that you faked it. And, naturally, the 'Church' pounces on those willing to admit to having 'faked wins' with a glorious Hubbardian 'Aha!' Because, that's why Scientology didn't 'work' for them. Scientology *always* works :)

Polly *must* have a cracker, but, Polly must bake it herself.

Zinj -- You Can Lead a Clam to Reason; but You Can't Make Him Think
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Scientology: The Wallet, The FMS and the Registrar

"SCIENTOLOGY COUGHS UP $3.5M Slatkinbucks"

The ever resourceful $cientology critic, Dave Touretzky, posted the latest news on the infamous 'Rev SLATKIN' financial fraud receivership case, as reported by the LA Times today.

"Scientology coughs up $3.5M Slatkinbucks"
From:Dave Touretzky Date: Wed, Nov 8 2006 10:15 am
Email: d...@cs.cmu.edu (Dave Touretzky)
Groups: alt.religion.scientology

"Scientology groups to pay back $3.5 million "
They agree to return 'profits' from a Ponzi scheme run by financial advisor Reed Slatkin.
By E. Scott Reckard Times Staff Writer
November 8, 2006

Groups affiliated with the Church of Scientology have agreed to pay back $3.5 million they received from former Santa Barbara money manager Reed Slatkin and others who invested with him.

The settlement, approved Tuesday by a federal bankruptcy judge, is part of final efforts to recover funds for the victims of Slatkin, who is serving a 14-year sentence for fraud, conspiracy and money laundering. Authorities say Slatkin led a long-running Ponzi scheme in which money from some investors was used to pay off others.

The fraud raised about $593 million in all, with investor losses estimated at about $240 million.
Slatkin, whose clients included actor Peter Coyote and television legal commentator Greta Van Susteren, paid $1.7 million in ill-gotten gains directly to Scientology organizations, bankruptcy trustee R. Todd Neilson said in court filings.

Millions of dollars more in tainted funds were funneled through other investors to Scientology-affiliated groups, including Narconon International, the Church of Scientology Celebrity Centre International and the Church of Scientology Western United States, the filings said.

The exact amount funneled through the investors was never determined, said Alexander Pilmer, an attorney for Neilson. Pilmer and Scientology attorney David Schindler said the $3.5-million settlement was a negotiated compromise.

Schindler said that the church had always wanted to return any fraudulently obtained funds and that the only dispute was over what amount was fair.

"The church and its hundreds of parishioners were as much victims of Slatkin as anyone else," he said.

Slatkin, who was once an ordained Scientology minister, had maintained that his actions were motivated in part by threats from other church members. In sentencing him to 14 years in federal prison, however, U.S. District Judge Margaret Morrow rejected his claim that he had acted under "duress and diminished capacity" because fellow Scientologists pressured him to continue paying them profits.

Slatkin gave some of the $593 million he collected back to investors as "profits," which is why prosecutors place investor losses at about $240 million.

By liquidating assets and suing investors who profited by receiving tainted money, Pilmer said, the bankruptcy trustee will have repaid victims 41 cents to 42 cents on the dollar ? about $100 million in all ? by the end of this year.

In addition, the bankruptcy trustee is still seeking to recover $12.1 million from a dozen defendants who came out ahead on the scam. The settlement with the Scientology groups removed a major impediment to closing the case, Pilmer said.

"We are close to the final wrap-up phase," he said.

Slatkin, who lived on a four-acre estate and spent lavishly on art, cars and airplanes, is serving his prison sentence in Taft, Calif., after pleading guilty in 2002 to fraud, conspiracy and money laundering.

Slatkin started soliciting money from fellow Scientologists in the mid-1980s. His reputation grew because of his role as a financer of Internet service provider EarthLink Inc. in 1994, when he provided $75,000 to EarthLink founder Sky Dayton.

Before long, he was taking in large sums from Internet executives, Hollywood players and socialites from across the country.

In the end, Slatkin admitted that his investment empire had been a sham since its inception in 1986, a scam he kept going for 15 years by distributing the "profits" to some investors that were really just funds from other investors ? a classic example of a Ponzi scheme.

Attorneys for the bankruptcy trustee sued or threatened to sue about 400 individuals and groups that emerged as "winners," having received more money from Slatkin than they invested.

With Tuesday's endorsement of the Scientology settlement by U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Robin Riblet in Santa Barbara, about $78 million has been recovered in those so-called adversary proceedings, Pilmer said.

A separate lawsuit accusing Slatkin's former bankers of lending an air of legitimacy to his enterprise was settled two years ago. Without admitting wrongdoing, the defendants, including Union Bank of California, agreed to pay $26.5 million. Most of that settlement ? $15.5 million ? was paid to a group of the largest investors and their lawyers at Pilmer's firm, Kirkland & Ellis.
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http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-slatkin8nov08,0,4280608.story
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SCIENTOLOGY SCHIZO By LINDA STASI - New York Post Online Edition

SCIENTOLOGY SCHIZO
HIS MOM'S RELIGION SAID, NO MEDS. THAT EDICT MAY HAVE COST HER LIFE
By LINDA STASI - New York Post Online Edition (Fair Use Exerpts)

"October 27, 2006

PERHAPS it's less of a stretch for Scientologists to believe that aliens arrived here in a spaceship, exploded, and stuck bits of their souls on us, than it is for other religions to believe there was a talking, burning bush or a savior who walked on water.

All religions believe they are the, er, gospel truth.

Most religions, however, have withstood the test of some time and were not created by a science fiction writer. "

"The story is about the horrific 2003 murder of a gorgeous, upstate, Scientologist mom, Elli Perkins, by her 28-year old schizoid son, Jeremy.

"And what a show it is! It will make your hair stand on end. "

The unmistakable conclusion is that the burden for her murder (Jeremy stabbed his mom 77 times!) lies with Scientology and its belief that - as one Scientology former bigwig put it - "psychology and psychiatrists are the rats and vermin of our society."

"The Perkins family refused to have Jeremy treated with anti-psychotic medications despite the fact that he'd been diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic .......... "

"You will hear from many of the principals involved, as well as experts recommended by the Citizen's Commission on Human Rights International, which is a group whose letterhead explains that it was "established in 1969 by the Church of Scientology to investigate and expose psychiatric violations of human rights."

"Watch this excellent report and decide for yourself. It will be one of the most riveting hours you'll see on TV this year."

"48 Hours Mystery: Scientology - A Question of Faith" Tomorrow night at 10 on CBS

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10272006/tv/scientology_schizo_tv_linda_stasi.htm

SCIENTOLOGY - A QUESTION OF FAITH

Did A Mother's Faith Contribute To Her Murder?

Don't miss this important story : 48 HOURS Saturday, Oct. 28, 2006 on CBS 10 p.m. ET/PT

'(CBS) Why would a 28-year-old man, described as sweet, kind and gentle, take a knife to his mother one morning in 2003 and stab her over 70 times?

Jeremy Perkins, who had been diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic, came to believe that his mother, Elli, was evil and out to get him. Experts say the brutal murder might never have occurred, had he received proper treatment to control his psychotic delusions. But Jeremy’s parents were devout Scientologists and their religion strongly opposes psychiatric treatment.

Did Elli Perkins' faith contribute to her death? 48 Hours correspondent Peter Van Sant explores the issue this Saturday, Oct. 28, at 10 p.m. ET/PT. '



"I tried to slit my wrists...but I wouldn't die, so I decided to do my mom instead," Jeremy Perkins told police after the murder.

'Jeremy’s chilling words describe his actions on March 13, 2003, while he was in an active psychotic state.

The Perkins family cared deeply for their son and sought treatment within the principles of their faith. A lawyer for Jeremy's father told 48 Hours that Jeremy was seen by both physicians and mental health practitioners, including a psychiatrist. But court records unsealed by 48 Hours indicate that Jeremy’s treatment was limited to mostly vitamins and other holistic healing methods. The family filled prescriptions for an anti-anxiety drug and a sleeping aid. Medical experts and a doctor who treated Jeremy after the murder dismiss these methods as ineffective for an individual with paranoid schizophrenia.

Today the Church of Scientology claims more than 10 million members worldwide. Its religious opposition to psychiatry is well-known. In June of 2005, the issue was brought to national attention when actor Tom Cruise took a very public stance on NBC’s "Today" show. "I know that psychiatry is a pseudo-science," he told Matt Lauer. "You don’t know the history of psychiatry. I do." Van Sant examines the roots of Scientology’s opposition to psychiatry and the tragic death of a caring mother who desperately wanted to help her beloved son. '

Produced By Miguel Sancho©MMVI, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/10/25/48hours/main2124568.shtml

"WAY TO GO, jerald !!!" The People's Voice Has Been Heard!! SCIENTOLOGY and CCHR: CAUGHT IN THE ACT

What fools these cult members must be to think that they can post the same article twice and claim different authors!

Shame on Scientology aka Citizens Commission on Human Rights for that act of DECEPTION!!
at the peoplesvoive.org 10/09/06 psychiatric_chemical_imbalance_fraud_con_1

An alert critic named ' jerald' spotted it and mentioned the duplicity and deception in his comment on the article. I was reminded of Arnie Lerma's famous outing of the church's 'man with no head' pictures as featured in the Washington Post article "Scientology's Funny Photos" ?
The editor emailed jerald....I have copied and linked jerald's posting of that reply from ars.

Thank you, jerald!! Thank you, PeoplesVoice.org: The PEOPLES VOICE HAS BEEN HEARD!

CCHR Boston: Psych "Chemical Imbalance Fraud" 10/09/06

From: jerald - Date:
Tues, Oct 10 2006 10:09 pm
Email: "jerald" (email ommitted)
Groups: alt.religion.scientology

BUSTED!! LOL
just recived this;
From : The Peoples Voice edi...@thepeoplesvoice.org Reply-To : "The Peoples Voice" edi...@thepeoplesvoice.org Sent : Tuesday, October 10, 2006 1:23 PM To : xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject : Re: New comment on your post #11376 "Psychiatric "Chemical Imbalance Fraud" confirmed by Three New England States "
Inbox
I do not condone the abuse of this site. It's purpose is to provide a source of information to the public. Thank you for bringing this abuse of the site to my attention. I cannot remove the article because it would leave a gap on the net. I will be on the lookout for this sort of thing in the future. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------­--------------------------------------------
And I didn't even complain to them. But seems they don't like people posting the same story again under a different name. LOL
jerald

THE TRUTH ABOUT SCIENTOLOGY, CCHR & THE MENTALLY ILL

From: formerlyfooled Date: Wed, Oct 11 2006 10:33 am
Email: "formerlyfooled" Groups: alt.religion.scientology

Tigger wrote: formerlyfooled wrote:

Tigger, Thanks for Hall's 'resume', lol! I just went back to The Peoples Voice
(snip link) and registered and posted this comment:

Comment from: FormerlyFooled [Member] I used to be a volunteer for Citizens Commission on Human Rights ( CCHR ); I once believed the 'information' they provided me with. I was a Scientologist who thought Dianetics and Scientology were the solutions to the problems of the mentally ill, not the psychs or pharmacutical industry, who were 'our enemies'.

The truth is, the Church of Scientology does not have solutions to help the mentally ill; they do not want to help the mentally ill become healthy nor do they have a technology to help them and others prone to these debilitating conditions.

The mentally ill are poster-boys and poster-girls for CCHR's agenda to destroy Scientology's perceived enemy : first the 'psychs' now the 'pharmas' as they have come to to be known.
This rumor of there not being a "chemical imbalance" was manufactured by CCHR, who conveniently fail to provide commonly known scientific evidence which actually supports the fact that such an imbalance exists.

Those 3 state representatives have been hoodwinked by the 'Cult of Scientology' and shame on them for accepting rumor in place of fact when making this accusation. (If in fact the story os even true to begin with.)

CCHR would have us believe that the FDA knows nothing about chemistry and lacks the best interests of consumers nationwide when approving medications; this is false.

Don't you be hoodwinked, too

The internet abounds in research documentation supporting that a chemical imbalance is at the root of mental illness. Even alternative medicine researchers agree. CCHR does not want you to read these things, They want to imbed your mind with THEIR propaganda because if psychiatry prevails, Scientology dies. Take a look at some of the information available:

Mental Health Matters article The "Chemical Imbalance" in Mental Health Problems http://www.mental-health-matters.com/articles/article.php?artID=160

"Chemical Imbalance - What is Chemical Imbalance, What Causes It ..." http://www.anxiety-and-depression-solutions.com/articles/chemicalimba...

Read this Fair Use exerpt:
"Common chemical imbalances related to anxiety and depression related disorders that have been observed in clinical practice include:
Reduced availability of neurotransmitters like Serotonin, Dopamine, Norepinephrine, GABA and acetylcholine.

Increased levels of toxic neurochemicals such as Homocysteine Lower levels of serum Magnesium, Zinc or Potassium

Unhealthy, or deficient levels of essential vitamins like B6, B9, B12 and Vitamin-C
Undersupply of key cofactors like amino acids that are used to help transport neurotransmitter precursors into the blood-brain barrier.

Increased cortisol stress hormone levels

Date: 06-14-04 Article: Understanding Chemical Imbalance Author: Jake Van Der Borne About the Author: see profile Email Address: feedb...@anxiety-and-depression-solutions.com Website URL: http://www.anxiety-and-depression-solutions.com/ _______________________________________

If anyone wants to read how medication effects the chemical balance of the brain or any part of the human body that is ill, all you have to do is read the FDA drug approval reports for whichever medicine you are concerned about: http://www.fda.gov/cder/approval/index.htm

CCHR and it's mother 'church' Scientology have no alternative solution to help people suffering from brain chemical imbalances. Dianetic is not even a science and it is only employed to demonstate that one needs the religion called Scientology.

Some CCHR volunteers are victims of this cult because they THINK they are helping people and they THINK Scientology and Dianetics are the answers which the mentally ill need - not psychiatry and medication. What is never made known to them is the fact that Scientology and CCHR are not doing this to help the mentally ill. They could care less about the mentally ill, or anyone physically or disabled.

This supposed Church actually bars the ill from participation because illness is like the mark of the beast to them. Here's two of many reports found on alt.religion.scientology google newsgroup discussing their distain of the disabled.

Read how charitable CCHR and the Cult of Scientology really are:

Former OC-ORG FBO-Admin by Rev Dr John Benjamin Tatum DD PhD wrote

"I have wanted to learn more. But now that I have all the time in the world (heck, I even completed my education), they do not seem to want me for staff or Sea Org. Because they see me as "damaged goods" since I am in a wheelchair. Still send me all of their fliers, but will not take me in (was even willing to go Sea Org). But I did not even get any books,cassettes, or other items because I could not afford them when I was on staff or even now since I have been on disability since February of 1989. http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/7789eb200...

Disabled and Scientology...Questions....?

That is just a fraction of the information on what CCHR and the Church of Scientology are about and it's enough to make one sick.

The IRS should recind the tax exempt status of Citizens Commission on Human Rights and the main Church of Scientology organizations for misrepresentation and using tax-exempt dollars for it's HATE agenda against the mentally ill and the industries that are actually doing something better their lives.

Their manner of attacks and goal of destroy the pharmacutical and psychiatric communities, all under the guise of spiritual need and religion.

Scientology an enemy of the disabled and those chronically in need of medical care. Not only do they shun them Scientology and Dianetics cannot help any one with mental health issues.
Dianetics is not even a science. It's not even modern. If it was, it would help people with mental illness become free of all the mental demons the book talks about. And since that fact could cost the church money, it is a fact they do not want you, the IRS and the FDA to know about. Instead,they've orchestrated a public scheme to attack those that ARE doing something to help the mentally ill:

The mental health field and the pharmacutical companies who make medications, who more often than not help those suffering from mental illness and related disorders.

You would think that Tom Cruise's apology to Brooke Shields would have humbled these nimwits at CCHR 'headquarters'.

I am not a proponient of any of these industries but it is ethically and morally wrong that CCHR and $cientology, acting in collusion, to be allowed to use tax free $$$$ from supposed "charitable" contributions to attack the very industries that are ACTUALLY helping people. I think it a crime. You should too.

Don't be deceived. Give credit where credit is due.

FormerlyFooled http://free-from-scientology.blogspot.com/
10/11/06 @ 09:29

KAREN BLACK: IS SHE IN OR OUT OF SCIENTOLOGY?

Remember this July google groups post attributing comments to Karen Black as bad mouthing scientology?

"it's run by evil, greedy people and I don't want anything to do with them. "
Operation Clambake's alt.religion.scientology WEEK-IN-REVIEW
Volume 10, Issue 29 - July 22 2006
http://www.xenu.net/archive/WIR/wir10-29.html

Well, Arnie Lerma's EXPOSING THE CON at http://www.LERMANET. has pulled it's copy:

"Nota Bene: I have been reliably informed that A July 17th statement attributed to Actress Karen Black is not true, so the paragraph has been pulled, a further statement will follow as Lermanet.com is dedicated to telling you the truth. " http://www.lermanet.com/

Many of us would have liked it to be true- at least it be true that she is no longer Scientology. I am sure there is far too much to risk by going public, especially having a mother-in-law who is so involved for so many years and had numerous reasons to leave herself, but all HER kids are scientologists....... disconnection would seem very difficult unless several left at the same time.

Many families have been shattered by Hubbard's disconnection policy but truth exposed will be what sets people free.

Here's a recent expose' in the St. Petersburg Times Tampa Bay ed article:

"The unperson" "Scientologists who cross their religion can be declared suppressive persons, shunned by peers and ostracized by family"
By ROBERT FARLEY, Times Staff WriterPublished June 24, 2006
http://www.sptimes.com/2006/06/24/Tampabay/The_unperson.shtml

For those so effected or those wanting to leave but are fearful of being ostracized, there is hope and help. I love what the Aaron family is doing to correct this inherent injustice:
www.ReligiousShunning.org

I seek truth because the truth is what sets me free from the very things I am trapped by. Hubbard brilliantly designed a trap where a scientologist is lead by the anticipation of 'what is to come' -- NOT by--- 'what was actually delivered.' He even set it up so that complainers or doubters were ostracized, making it clear to members that they had better keep ther mouth shut. Which is what many members and ex-members sadly do. Hubbard was a brilliant man who took basic truths and expounded on them and twisted them to his own advantage, called in the troops to help him build this empire called Scientology.

The advantage was to control people as effortlessly as possible, call it religion and gain power and money at the expense of it's victims.

So I don't blame gifted people like Karen Black and Renee Duke for not taking a public stand against scientology even if they wanted to. It's easier to say nada. Just live life in spite of it.

Karen has her own blog http://karenblackactress.blogspot.com/ which I have posted to, and her own web site www.karenblack.com .

I notice good choices and changes in recent times. Coincidence or not, Karen gets kudos for living life on her terms. Not the terms dictated by others, esp those under scientology's influence.

~ FormerlyFooled

"Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them." Ephesians 5:11

WHAT'S THE DEAL SCIENTOLOGY + ARMED SERVICES CHAPLAINCARE SITE

What's the deal here? http://www.chaplaincare.navy.mil/Scientology.htm
BETWEEN SCIENTOLOGY + US NAVY CHAPLAINCARE SITE USED BY ARMED SERVICES??? BETWEEN Ontario Religious Tolerance dot org & Scientology's
Rev Al Buttnor working for them and writing these pages?

FYI:Scientology running the Armed Services chaplaincaresite?
FOIA REQUEST FORM
NOTE: Required responses are in red. boldface. and italics.
Requests for personal information require a signature and can not be
processed through this online form. Instead, please follow the Privacy
Act request instructions. (Personal information includes, but is not
limited to, information about current or former service members and
employees of the Department of the Navy.)

Dear FOIA Officer:

This is a request filed under the Freedom of Information Act. I
request:

Tell what kind of record(s) you are requesting. Select one of these.
(Required)
a copy of the following documents be provided to me:
documents containing the following information be provided to me:
all documents containing information regarding the following topic be
provided to me:

http://foia.navy.mil/OnlineFoiaRequestForm.asp
I would like to have all electronic and writtten correspondence and
documentation related to the acceptance of the information and sources
of information used in the the creation and the maintenance of the
website information of this page:
http://www.chaplaincare.navy.mil/Scientology.htm

I would like all informational documents related to supervisory approval
for this to be on the internet.
I was alerted to it by a newsgroup post and I am very concerned about
the biased information you have on that web page. Before I can address
the=is with the person in control, I would like all infomation and
documents related to how it came to be alowed, created and
dissemminated to navy personnel.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/f00a43812...

This is on the navy's website..........

>Narconon is a rehabilitation program, assisting individuals to overcome their drug dependencies. Their Purification Rundown procedure involves exercise, sauna, vitamins and drills. Narcanon has 37 locations in Canada, United States and other countries. Independent studies have showed that about 75% of Narconon graduates have remained off drugs when they were checked two years after completing the program. This is a success rate that is considerably higher than most programs.

What independent studies????????? Sound like a member of scientology
wrote this and it needs to be corrected. I have already writen, your
turn.
http://www.chaplaincare.navy.mil/Scientology.htm "
Thank you
Subject: DON CASE FILE NO. XXXXXXXXX; Acknowledgement Letter
Date: 9/21/2006 4:00:30 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: sarah.engl...@navy.mil

Dear xxxxxxxxxxx
Your Freedom of Information Act request of September 15, 2006, in which
you seek information about the Navy Chaplain website, was received by
this office on September 18, 2006, and assigned DON Case File No.
xxxxxxxxx.

If you have any questions regarding your request, please contact
Phyllis
Shaw at (202) 685-6530 between the hours of 0600-1500, or email your
inquiry to mary.p.s...@navy.mil.

Sincerely,

Sarah English
Head, CNO/SECNAV FOIA Requester Service Center
(202) 685-6546

Original Message-----
From: FOIA Website [mailto:ogcsysad...@ogc.law.navy.mil]
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 18:47
To: Lama, Doris OPNAV
Cc: English, Sarah CNO
Subject: Online FOIA Request

Name:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
E-mail:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Request type: topic

Records Requested: I was alerted by a newsgroup post that you have
misinformation on your web site.
http://www.chaplaincare.navy.mil/Scientology.htm
I saw many inaccuracies. I was a member for 18 yrs, and I am not
biased.
I am very concerned. A balanced view can be seen from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology
I would like to have all electronic and written correspondence and
documentation related to the acceptance of the information and sources
of information, supervisory approval for data used in the the creation
and the maintenance of the scientology programs section of this page
and
if there was any monetary exchange given:
http://www.chaplaincare.navy.mil/Scientology.htm
The newsgroup post:Ok Everyone, It's Time to Write the Navy This is on
the navy's website..........
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.scientology/msg/f00a4381296e
e078?hl=en&
Thank you.

Requestor Status: Individual

News Media:

Fee or Waiver: waiverrequested

Amount of Fee

Waiver Explanation: I am dismayed that the website contains false and
misleading information contributed by Church Of Scientology & it's
affiliate organizations and members which have not met scientific
standards and government credibility procedures required to ensure
accuracy, which may cause Navy personnel, their families and internet
public to be seriously misled.
I believe public need to know how resources and references and facts
are
obtained for placement on government web sites, particularly those
which provide information for personnel and public.It would be a
financial burden for me to personally pay the fees. I will ensure the
documents received are provided to the webmaster of the webpage first,
so that the page can be reviewed and corrected.

Address: xxxxxxxxxx

Address:

City: xxxxxxxxxxxx

State: xx

Zip Code: xxxxx

Telephone:xxxxxxxxxx
IP Address: xxxxxxxx
___________________________________________________
DON CASE FILE NO. xxxxxxxxx My 9/15/06 request ( rec'd by your office
9/18/06)

Google cache link of original page. Internet Archives cache for:
http://www.chaplaincare.navy.mil/Scientology.htm

Dear Ms Shaw,

Per our conversation, the original page I requested documentation on
was changed after 9/17/06. Google took a cache of it on 9/17/06 before
it was changed. It is this page that my request began with and I want
to ensure that you have all the information related to the purpose and
need of that request.

As of today, google shows a cache update of the page dated 9/23, which
is consistent with the current page that omits what I wrote
about.Fortunately, I downloaded the 9/17 cache as a safemeasure.

Additional documentation: Internet Archive
The web page listing Scientology programs Narconon and Purification, as
seen on the 9/17/06 cache attached can also be seen at the via the
Internet Archive via Wayback Machine. This page was archived 93
timesover at the Internet Archive from Sept 19, 2001- Mar 7, 2005 (- *
denotes when site was updated. )

Since this web site stopped participating in the archiving of this
page, you can use the information on the found archived pages as a
foundation for my request but the 9/15/06 thru 9/17/06 page should be
completely compared to current and previous pages in the event changes
occurred in the interim.
http://www.archive.org/web/web.php
http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.chaplaincare.navy.mil/Sciento...

My request concerns primarily the content requiring verificationof
statements claimed as fact: ie Scientology Programs Narconon &
Purification programs, mentioned as I saw it on 9/17/06 ,which you can
see in the attached download copy of the cached page.

Sadly, the current page is now more biased than when I made the
complaint! Numerous important statements and links that added some
balance to the information scientology provides is now gone. As I
requested, I want to know who is making the decisions for this page.
Additionally, why the critical information is no longer up there. I
think I am entitled to this since the page was changed before the
online request from their web page reached your office on 9/18/06

Thank you for your assistance;
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Attached: my file copy 9/17/06 google cache htm
( link below takes you to updated 9/23/06 cache)
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:Xvamf6LyUAwJ:www.chaplaincare.na...

Copy of the dated pages available in the Internet Archive as of today:

Searched for http://www.chaplaincare.navy.mil/Scientology.htm
93 Results
* denotes when site was updated.
Search Results for Jan 01, 1996 - Sep 25, 2006
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http://web.archive.org/web/*sa_/http://www.chaplaincare.navy.mil/Scientology.htm

To be continued...........

THE FRIEND_OF_MANKIND.wmv

Purinton Pictures presents

FRIEND OF MANKIND by Karl-Rainer Blumenthal


"Friend of Mankind (2006) is a non-fiction documentary film about writer L. Ron Hubbard, his devoted celebrity followers and those who have died through his prescribed methods for the Church of Scientology. It is comprised primarily of footage from film and television interviews."

Blumenthal's 2006 documentary takes a critical look at the
"accomplishments, controversies and followers of L. Ron Hubbard, founder of the Church of Scientology, comprised of American, English and German television broadcasts from the last 37 years"

THE FRIEND_OF_MANKIND.wmv
Run time: 30:38
Directed by Karl-Rainer Blumenthal
Produced by Purinton Pictures
Featuring footage of

L. Ron Hubbard
Ron DeWolf
Mike Rinder
Heber Jentzsch
Robert Vaughn Young
Tom Cruise
John Travolta

I am impressed! 22 year old Bryn Mawr & Haversford College graduate student, archivist and film maker Karl-Rainer Blumenthal has created an excellent collage of Hubbard's legacy

As a former long time member of scientology, I can tell you that this film shows what the Cult of Scientology never wanted anyone to see, whether they were a member or not.

I cried after it was over. It was very cathartic for me. Blumenthal is a filmmaker to remember.

Meet Karl-Rainer Blumenthal, Film maker, Humtone
http://students.haverford.edu/kblument/
http://www.brynmawr.edu/filmstudies/karl
http://www.students.haverford.edu/humtones/Bio/karl.html
http://students.haverford.edu/kblument/friend.htm

Where to go to download or view the video All formats:
http://www.xenutv.com/friendofmankind.htm
http://students.haverford.edu/kblument/draft1wm.wmv
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6700984289963923033&q=scientology
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI0GBhmtH6Q (1-4 parts)

comments or complaints:
punrinton.pictures@gmail.com

AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE

KCAA Radio, Vince Daniels and crew had a great show yesterday.
Check it out:
http://www.xenutv.com/radio/manymoods-091606.htm

'The Many Moods' will go where few A.M. talk shows dare to go on Saturday, September 16th when host, Vince Daniels not only takes on the Church of Scientology, but moreover devotes a good chunk of his 3 live hours talking to experts on cults as well as former church members and with those currently involved in Scientology, who will have what Daniels calls "an open forum" to call in and challenge the guests.

FREE MINDS SPEAK OUT SEPT. 16 ON K.C.A.A. Scientology and religious cults in general to be exposed. http://www.vincedaniels.com/article15.html

See The Show at XENU TV

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Followup from Vince Daniels:

From: vincedani...@vincedaniels.com -
Date:Sun, Sep 17 2006 1:25 am
Email: vincedani...@vincedaniels.com
Groups: alt.religion.scientology

I appreciated reading over the blow by blow account of you who either listened and/or viewed the KCAA webstream today. I wish I could have gotten to all the calls. If there were any of you on hold that I did not get to, my apologies. I plan on doing a follow-up 3 hour show in the next four to possibly six weeks from now.
Below is a link to the guest book on the KCAA "comment page" over on KCAARADIO dot com. I would truly appreciate any of you letting the owner and management of the station know how you felt about todays show, positive or negative as they closely monitor the comments. Be sure to mention my name or the name of the show, "The Many Moods of Vince Daniels" if you are so inclined. A link that takes you directly to the guest book is provided below. And thanks in advance!
KCAA Radio GuestBook

Scientologists I Have Known.. more pics

Some of these posts have links so you can see where I found the pics.


I have to go and scan more pics.

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MORE FACES FROM SCIENTOLOGY & MORE TO COME

UPDATED: April 2008

I am new to creating pages with FACES so expect the layouts and pages to change soon. I would really like to have more pics per page & the compilation to be different.

Do you know who any of these people are? I do.



There are memories for at least one of the people per picture, some good. Some bad. Each tells a story. Short or long, good or bad, each story is part of my history when I was a Scientologist.
I have much to say, but that is for another day. Pictures first!

SOME FACES OF MY PAST IN SCIENTOLOGY

A few of the many faces of my past while a member of Scientology. Can you guess who is who?

Scientologists & Ex-Scientologists with Christian Roots

From: formerlyfooled - view profile
Date:Sat, Sep 9 2006 12:40 am
Groups: alt.religion.scientology ( edited for typos 1:31 am)
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Anyone, including Scientolgists, can turn to God. Many quietly have and they've gained spiritual and mental strength to get through the storms of change as they leave the scientologist life behind forever.

The meaning and purpose of the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ is far more glorious and significant than the destructive goals of 'clearing a mind' the Hubbard way. The result is a false sense of self in the pursuit of a false spiritual state. Hubbard made it so that we would want to eliminate our time track, just as Creed Pearson mentioned recently. But a Scientologist is supposed to know how to know even when he doesn't have a clue.

I am a survivor of years of Scientology indoctrination and experience. Without my faith in God, I would not be able to even begin to talk about it here. I turned to the God who never gave up on me even when I had given up on him. If you have ever known the love of God, even the christian faith in particular, then the Holy Spirit will speak to you and you will naturally respond.
Jesus said:

"I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine." John 10:14

"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light." Matthew Ch 11:v29-30
ff
"As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. "John 10:15
_______________________________________________________________________

"Interestingly, biblical faith isn't believing against the evidence. Instead, faith is a kind of knowing that results in action. The clearest definition comes from Hebrews 11:1. This verse says, 'Faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.' In fact, when the New Testament talks about faith positively it only uses words derived from the greek root [pistis] which means 'to be persuaded.' In those verses from Hebrews, we find the words, 'hope', 'assurance', 'conviction' that is, confidence. Now, what gives us this confidence?"

Christian faith is not belief in the absence of evidence. It is the proper response to the evidence. Koukl, 'Christian faith cares about the evidence...the facts matter. You can't have assurance for something you don't know you're going to get. You can only hope for it. This is why the resurrection of Jesus is so important. It gives assurance to the hope. Because of a Christian view of faith, Paul is able to say in 1 Corinthians 15 that when it comes to the resurrection, if we have only hope, but no assurance - if Jesus didn't indeed rise from the dead in time/space history - then we are of most men to be pitied. This confidence Paul is talking about is not a confidence in a mere 'faith' resurrection, a mythical resurrection, a story-telling resurrection. Instead, it's a belief in a real resurrection. If the real resurrection didn't happen, then we're in trouble. The Bible knows nothing of a bold leap-in-the-dark faith, a hope-against-hope faith, a faith with no evidence. Rather, if the evidence doesn't correspond to the hope, then the faith is in vain, as even Paul has said.'

So in conclusion, faith is not a kind of religious hoping that you do in spite of the facts. In fact, faith is a kind of knowing that results in doing. A knowing that is so passionately and intelligently faithful to Jesus Christ that it will not submit to fideism, scientism, nor any other secularist attempt to divert and cauterize the human soul by hijacking knowledge."

"Faith is about 'just trusting' God isn't It?" Tom Price
www.bethinking.org/resource.php?ID=132